In a new interview that is both inspiring and profoundly relevant for our times, Jack Myers sits down with Team Flow Institute founder Chris Heuer to explore how ancient Taoist philosophy can guide modern leadership through the disruption of generative AI. The video, titled “The Tao of Leadership in the Age of ChatGPT”, is now live on YouTube — and it’s a must-watch for business leaders, innovators, marketers, and organizational strategists looking to thrive in the AI era.
▶️ Watch the full conversation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NueW22QJdGk
In their candid dialogue, Heuer and Myers delve into the central thesis of Jack’s latest book, The Tao of Leadership: Harmonizing Technological Innovation and Human Creativity in the AI Era. The conversation moves swiftly from deep philosophical grounding to actionable insight, framing AI not as a threat to human leadership, but as a catalyst for the long-overdue reinvention of corporate structures and cultures.
Myers, a media ecologist and founder of The Myers Report, MediaVillage and the AdvancingDiversity.org movement, explains why traditional top-down leadership models, designed for 20th-century industrial systems, are no longer viable. “Hierarchies modeled on 1940s assembly lines are collapsing,” he tells Heuer. “In their place, we need more fluid, interconnected models of leadership — what I call Fusion Flow — that break down silos, embrace psychological safety, and encourage human ingenuity.”
A standout moment in the interview is Myers’ call for leaders to “stop building bridges and start building portals” — a compelling metaphor for abandoning slow, incremental change in favor of transformative thinking that invites cross-functional innovation and open systems of collaboration. It’s a mantra that reflects the urgency of the current moment, as AI reshapes how work is conceived, executed, and led.
At the heart of the discussion are five timeless Taoist values: harmony, balance, stability, flexibility, and integrity. These are not abstract ideals. Myers argues they are essential guideposts for creating inclusive, resilient, and future-ready organizations. In his view, these principles can help today’s leaders steer confidently through complexity, while remaining grounded in empathy, trust, and human connection.
Chris Heuer, a long-time advocate for flow-based thinking and workplace transformation, provides a thoughtful platform for Myers’ ideas to shine. Together, they explore how to empower teams in a time of heightened uncertainty, elevate diversity as a cornerstone of innovation, and ensure that AI adoption enhances — rather than erodes — human values.
For those already navigating digital transformation or exploring how AI fits into their people strategies, this interview is more than a philosophical exercise — it’s a strategic roadmap. The conversation offers actionable insights on how to build adaptive cultures, rethink organizational structure, and prepare for what Myers calls the Nexus Generation — the rising wave of talent who will lead in an era defined by the convergence of human and machine intelligence.
🎯 Key Takeaways from the Interview:
- Fusion Flow is Myers’ model for dismantling outdated corporate silos and enabling creativity to flow through every layer of an organization.
- Psychological safety and inclusion are foundational to any successful AI strategy.
- The Taoist values of harmony, flexibility, and integrity are not soft concepts — they are tools for decision-making and sustainable growth.
- Leadership must shift from control to cultivation — fostering environments where trust, curiosity, and collective intelligence thrive.
Whether you’re a CEO rethinking your company’s AI roadmap, a people leader building a more resilient team, or simply curious about how wisdom from the Tao Te Ching can help us lead better today, this conversation is a powerful reminder: the future of leadership is not artificial. It’s deeply, profoundly human.
The Tao of Leadership is available now on Amazon, and we encourage you to watch the full interview, share it with your teams, and reflect on how its message can inspire transformation in your own organization.
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