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Avatar Identity Theft Prompts Review of Gaia and Virtual World Rules

Published: November 12, 2007 at 02:47 PM GMT
Last Updated: November 13, 2007 at 02:47 PM GMT

By Jerry Weinstein and Jack Myers

This is a true story. The names have been changed to protect an innocent 13-year old and her avatar. It's early September, 2007. "Bluebird" is wandering the Towns section of the Gaia virtual world. Bluebird is an avatar, the creation of Clementine, a bright and articulate 13-year Manhattanite. Bluebird has been 'modded out' with a jackal's head (a nod to the Egyptian god Anubis). She wears a tunic with billowy crimson and plum sleeves (a gift from the goddesses), set off by a sash of golden cloth. A sun staff marks the way forward. From below, a ring of purple flames encircles her. From above, a spirit eagle soars, watching down upon her.

A stranger (all but one of Bluebird's Gaia friends are known to her in the "real world") asks her to "gift" him a cape. Despite a polite and repeated "no," he continues to harangue her. She is trying to escape the stranger when a PM arrives (private message). It is from a moderator who informs Bluebird that her account has been reported. Her password is needed in order "to clear the report." In that same message she is warned that failure to comply will result in a six month ban from Gaia. Rather than reflexively respond, Bluebird has the poise to share the PM with two adults (including her mom) and her older sister. Everyone present is shocked. “How can I have been reported?” Clementine asks in horror. “I never use foul language or anything!” Assuming the rude stranger has reported her out of spite, they unanimously agree she should submit her password; that the request is legit. And so she does. Clementine and her family now believe they have followed Gaian protocol, that the situation will be investigated and all are confident that she and her avatar will be cleared of any wrong doing.

Instead, moments later, Bluebird is no more. Aghast that she's been deleted, Clementine asks her older sister Isabelle to search for Bluebird across Gaia, to no avail. For several months and for at least an hour each day, Gaia had been the favorite playground for Clementine, the thirteen-year-old creator of Bluebird. Last year Isabelle introduced her to the anime-themed teen virtual world and Clementine signed up as soon as she came of age. Now, she was banished for no apparent reason.

Perhaps you're thinking to yourself: So What? Indeed, there are serious sociological, legal and moral implications to this event. But first a bit of context.


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Gaia <> Second Life
All of that press for Second Life? Well-deserved as it might be, Gaia is THREE times its size. What started out as a haven for comic book/anime fans has become one of the largest virtual worlds, period. Gaia claims 300,000 logins per day, for approximately two hours a day. It boasts two and a half million unique users a month, growing fifteen percent and approaching 3 million users in September. Even more impressive is its Forum area, which has recorded over one billion posts! Big Board rates it the most popular bulletin board on the Web and Gaia CEO Craig Sherman calls Gaia the "fastest growing online hang-out for teens." Started four and a half years ago by a group of comic book artists primarily for themselves, the site grew organically without any publicity or even a tool to invite friends, which was only added earlier this year. Gaia raised $12.01 million from Redpoint Ventures and Benchmark Capital last March.

eMarketer recently released Kids And Teens: Virtual Worlds Open New Universe. The study found that of the 34.3 million kids and teens with Internet access, fully 24 percent of them (or 5.3 million) were currently logging onto a virtual world at least once a month. That figure is expected to more than double to over 53 percent in the next four years.

While there are frequent headlines demanding the heads of sexual offenders trolling MySpace and there is ongoing debate about the ethical minefield of marketing to teens within social networks of any stripe, little has been remarked on the relationship that "play" online has to identity formation, about identity theft in-world, and broadly speaking, the fate of one's digital assets.

Clementine's experience in Gaia speaks volumes on the subject. Described by her mother as a shy, intensely creative, sensitive and intuitive child, Clementine's creation of Bluebird and her constant retooling of this avatar allowed her to experiment freely with alternate senses of self. "The transformation was fascinating,” her mother remarked. "To watch her slowly immerse herself in this virtual world and new personality and figure out how to negotiate these new interactions was a perfect opportunity for trial and error in a seemingly safe environment. She became increasingly emboldened and gained confidence from the feedback she received from other avatars as she immersed herself deeper in the culture."

A few days after Bluebird disappeared and with still no response from Gaia on the status of the investigation they believed was underway, her mother contacted Gaia customer service. In hindsight, by waiting patiently for some communication from Gaia they had played right into the hands of the hacker by giving him time to abscond, comparable to allowing a kidnapping to go unreported. Gaia CS responded by encouraging Clementine to file a hacking report, indicating that while these matters are handled in queue they are often resolved within a week. When Clementine realizes she has been hacked she bursts into tears. "I feel like I just witnessed my own murder," she remarks to her mother.


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A week passes. During that time an increasingly and palpably depressed Clementine attempts logging on at least once a day. Alas, Bluebird is still banned, in oblivion, or both. After a few weeks pass, Mom re-contacts Gaia. They indicate that Clementine -- despite Terms of Service indicating never to give out one's password across Gaia –- has provided her password to a scammer. There is no recourse suggested.

The month grinds on for mother and daughter and it becomes clear this will not be resolved through available channels. Intervention by this journalist with Gaia public relations results in Clementine regaining access to Gaia with the user name left to her by the hacker, but her original avatar name is lost, she is unrecognizable in-world to her friends, she has none of her possessions that were accumulated through active in-world effort and all but a small amount of her Gaia gold is gone. "My watermeat is here," Clementine tearfully finds. "That's good." (Watermeat is her virtual pet; visualize a fish on a leash.).

Clementine, dejected, unenthusiastically searches all of the areas of the site she once frequented, feeling a shadow of her former self. When she looks in her account at the marketplace (like an eBay exchange) she realizes that while she was banned someone had traded her possessions for $134,508 in Gaian gold. Her identity lost, her valuable possessions stolen and sold, for the first time she now knows what it feels like to be the victim of a serious crime.

More time passes and this publication's editor mentions Clementine's experience and suffering to a senior marketing executive from a major national advertiser who coincidentally has contacts at Gaia and their venture firm. She advances Bluebird's cause with Gaia CEO Craig Sherman. Within a week, Bluebird’s identity is restored, her possessions and Gaia gold is tracked down, recovered and returned.

Clementine's story has an unexpected happy ending, but hundreds and perhaps thousands of young virtual world residents without Clementine's fortunate connections may be suffering similar fates without ever regaining their in-world identity and possessions. Clementine's mother remains concerned about the psychological fallout. Although to the average person this is nothing more than a “virtual" experience, to Clementine the victimization is real and her Mom believes she needs support and an opportunity to heal emotionally from the experience. But what are the options and where can she turn for help? Clementine's timeout from Gaia, her loss of a daily connection with friends, and her trauma over having caused the kidnapping of her treasured Bluebird were wrenching for mother and daughter alike. Mom terms the banning a "flattening blow."


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The reality of virtual world scams and identity theft raises serious issues that Gaia executives acknowledge and experts believe must be addressed if these emerging communities are to continue to thrive as safe havens for children and teens. Parents and developers of virtual worlds and social communities designed for kids should not confuse their audiences' technological savvy and intellectual sophistication with maturity. Kids can still be easily manipulated and in-world scammers are able to convince even wary parents of their authenticity.

Sherman insists the company "takes this responsibility very seriously. It's complex because it’s the Internet and difficult to protect everyone 100 percent securely." On one level, he suggests, it's a valuable lesson to learn early to protect your account. "But on the other hand," he admits, "the time spent by users and the things they do here are really valuable to them. We go to extra efforts to educate users and make it a safe environment."

To Litigate Or Not?
Benjamin Duranske, a legal expert on virtual worlds, and author of the upcoming Virtually Blind, reviews the case. He believes that Clementine/Bluebird would have had a claim against Gaia, but that while it is "reasonable, it is not practical." Clementine's loss – meaningful to her – is less than $60, although that relatively small sum had been converted into more than $130,000 in Gaia gold, attesting to Clementine's collecting skills, passion and commitment. Unless a class action lawsuit were to be drafted, the cost of recovery would exceed any 'real' damages. But he sees larger issues at stake. Most states take a position of nullifying the Terms of Service (TOS) of sites targeted to youth. TOS's are meant to be written with their audience in mind but this is a near-impossible feat when you're writing to a 13-year-old, plus users are, in fact, minors. In this case, Duranske argues, Gaia did their best to warn users throughout the site not to share their password. But what they failed to deal with was a hallmark of youth: apart from the rare rebel, most kids will defer to a figure of authority. If someone posing as a parental or authority figure makes a demand, they submit. And assets? Duranske and I first became acquainted during the Second Life bank collapse -- $200,000 real U.S. dollars were stolen and they have yet to be recovered. It's undetermined, then, if a virtual world host is responsible for compensating/reimbursing users when third parties steal their virtual booty. Even more questionable is what responsibility virtual worlds might have for mental duress caused by members' losses.

High Anxiety
While lawyer Duranske is investigating an emerging body of thought that binds law and play, he says this issue isn't new – it dates back to 1938's Homo Ludens: A Study of The Play Element in Culture by Dutch historian Johan Huizinga. While it's tempting to laugh off both the popularity and implications of virtual worlds, for kids these environments are now part of their leisure routine and they are very real societies where legitimate relationships are formed. Psychologists also recognize the importance of play and how it shapes identity formation. Prof. Larry Rosen of Cal State, author of Me, MySpace, and I: Parenting the Net Generation, believes that "banning someone can have major psychological impact."

Brooke Foucault is a Northwestern graduate student focusing on teens in online communities. She concurs with Rosen: "We know that kids use media to maintain social relationships when they are not physically co-located. Why shouldn't the new medium of virtual worlds be any different than any other medium that we may have used in the past to carry on this relationship maintenance?"

In Clementine's case this experience has given mother and daughter the opportunity to discuss “presentation of self” in multiple contexts both virtual and real. Initially both had a sense that Bluebird's increasingly flamboyant appearance was an invitation to the hacker to target her. “You can't have your most valuable bling hanging out for every virtual thief to covet," her mother argued. Yet when she shared the story with a family friend and therapist who knew them both intimately, her mind was swayed by the therapist’s view of the episode. While the therapist was impressed how everyone from the head of the company to the most intimate family member rallied to support a child in trouble, she added, “Now that she is back in the Gaia world as her old self, make sure to encourage her to continue to express herself with the full force of her creativity and not to hold herself back out of fear. She is far wiser now and will never make that mistake again. The positive power of that self exploration far outweighs any negatives of the episode”

In Jack Myers' book Virtual Worlds: Rewiring Your Emotional Future, he writes "Psychologists report a child's virtual self often reflects more about their core self-image that the self they display in their day-to-day behavior. Their virtual selves display their feelings about authority, their likes and dislikes unfettered by parental influence and controls. The worlds in which they immerse themselves often reflect more about their self-identities and how they want to be perceived than their more traditional activities and choices." Myers adds, "Scientists, sociologists and anthropologists suggest that active social participation and involvement in online virtual worlds is a more constructive and healthy human experience than passively watching television, reading a book, or being in an unhappy job or relationship."

Gaia CEO Sherman agrees. "In a world where teens are constantly packaging and branding themselves in high school, MySpace and Facebook, experiences they are having on sites like Gaia are more rich and wholesome than adults who didn't grow up with them expect they are. Online hang-outs are not like videogames," he explains. "It's an experience with other people in an implied sense of space and it's very real." He acknowledges it would be imbalanced to only be online and not be doing things in the 'physical' world but he argues "in traditional games like Sims, it's implied you are with other people but you are alone." He offers the analogy of playing with dolls and a dollhouse. He also explains, "in the real world you are limited to friends in physical proximity to you. Virtual worlds unlock the chance to find like-minded souls anywhere in the world. It's a wonderful thing that hasn't existed before."

In his book, Myers acknowledges "There can be, unquestionably, legitimate criticisms of websites that capture people's time and attention for hours and hours. Parents especially will be appropriately concerned about how and where their children are spending their time and with whom they are interacting. Safety issues need to be at the forefront of controls over virtual worlds as they evolve. But the evolutionary advances that are the promise of virtual worlds offer hope for the future of human interaction."

Gaia Responds to the Clementine/Bluebird Case With New Rules
The axiom "how a company handles the exception shows its integrity," is apropos here. Sherman is anxious to address the specifics and the issues that Clementine's experience throws into relief. Without coming off as defensive he begins, "I think we do a better job than almost all virtual worlds." He points out that World of Warcraft, which assesses a $15 monthly subscription fee (Gaia is free), does not attempt to deal with scamming. "They won't deal with it, it's your responsibility. And their goods are worth a lot of real money." That said, he admits, "We're may not have been good enough on a case–by-case basis."

Sherman agrees that the Bluebird matter might have been handled differently and offers that Gaia has learned from the Clementine/Bluebird case. It now has a root fix that seems intuitive but was not-so-simple to implement: even though users are sending over a million posts a day, Gaia actively checks every name and password embedded in a message and double checks to assure a password is not being shared. Gaia has also launched a more comprehensive and mandatory education campaign for all new users, introducing them to examples of potential dangerous activity in a game-like interactive format. "Young people learn through experience, not through a set of paperwork," advises dana boyd, a Ph.D. candidate at Berkeley's School of Information. boyd studies how one negotiates a presentation of self in networked, mediated contexts such as YouTube, MySpace and Facebook. Rather than read a Terms of Service agreement, she agrees it is more valuable to walk children and teens through a set of exercises and scenarios. "But it's not bulletproof," she warns. Sherman's added solution is a full-time team that is focusing on actively helping people like Clementine.

But what about Gaia gold and objects that users earn and acquire in-world? Unlike Second Life where entrepreneurs have created an economy around skins, apparel and environments, all of the objects within Gaia are made by Gaia, so the virtual world has the ability to track them from cradle to grave via their unique ID. What they can't do unless they are notified is distinguish between a trade among friends, a sale in the marketplace and outright theft. But a new fix is in the works as well. Just as bank accounts require PIN numbers to access monies via an ATM, in the future Gaia users will have a PIN number, a solution Clementine herself envisioned when she discovered her holdings had been liquidated. In effect, a scammer might manage to steal an identity but would be unable to access the Gaia collectibles.

Another issue that did not crop up here but that Sherman wanted to address is pfishing, those fake Chase and eBay e-mails and websites designed to get your social security number, your passwords, your identity. They proliferate on virtual worlds as well. Gaia's remedy is to introduce a frame, think of a border crossing at customs, so that you are told "You're Leaving Gaia" and can distinguish between what is the virtual world and what is a foreign website. Another suggestion offered by boyd is that Gaia residents be sent an e-mail with a reason and projected duration when they are banned, and perhaps given a ticket and reference number. Clementine was never formally contacted when she was banned and Bluebird disappeared.

While the perp that scammed Bluebird has been banned, (by IP address) it took this episode to remind the virtual world that teen users need to be handled with kid gloves. Sherman's bottom line here is: "If our users aren't satisfied, we won't grow." Sherman also needs to address the rights and concerns of users and their parents as Gaia opens its world for the first time to marketers. Before agreeing to accept ad revenues, Gaia asked members their opinion on options to generate revenues required to expand the site and assure it's always available. (Clementine reports in-world activity on Halloween was so active it was difficult to gain entry.) Gaia's first partnership with Scion resulted in more than 470,000 cars being "purchased" in world in the first two months, compared to 6,000 virtual Scions acquired in Second Life in six months. Gaia offered cars, a virtual store for body parts and customizing, flash environments where users could hang out in their car at a mini-mart, and a racing game. "Our [marketing] focus is exclusively on doing things cool for our users that encourage them to spend more time interacting and that work well for the sponsors," says Sherman. He reports to date Gaia has turned down several potential marketing partnerships for not meeting those criteria.

Postscript
Loyal Clementine has returned to Gaia (she didn't even consider other teen worlds) and Bluebird has been welcomed back with open arms by her avatar friends. Gaia has addressed several of the issues that Clementine's experience raised. Clementine has also gained life lessons: identity is precious and needs to be vigilantly protected; authority, no matter how demanding, needs to be questioned; having the right connections help; self-exploration is positive and should be supported and encouraged; and most importantly, speaking out is not just good – it can actually improve the quality of life for an entire world.

For more information on Gaia contact Director of Marketing Annie Morita at amorita@gaiaonline.com. Avatar recreation by Genny Beliveau.

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"At least I have my watermeal" I almost shed a virtual tear. I have a student just like Clemetine- in her second life she is a goddess. However, in this world, she is an acne ridden, self-loathing loner....who doesn't brush her hair. I'm hoping one day the two identities will merge and create a virtualreality person....taking that fearless power she has in her other world and matching it to this one effectively. So far it hasn't happened and her parent's have had to confiscate her virtual life a number of times so she can get her homework done. I agree, the technological savvy and intellectual maturity should definitely not be confused. Money, Sponsorship: it's all about the money............... Interesting question: Can you pay someone else to build an identity for you? Will it be emotionally fulfilling when the computer is shut down....but hey sometimes reality isn't emotionally fulfilling either.....i hope you can fulfill a need i have....
Posted at 10:41 AM on Nov 12, 2007 by Leonora
This is really, really, really sad. Actually, I echo Leonora's sentiment, but must add that it is pretty pathetic when a parent can't see that allowing children to 'play' in virtual worlds at the expense of playing in the real world really robs them of true life experiences whether they are painful or not -- at least their kids get a shot at being real, not known as a fake version of themselves. Kids need to learn to talk, to socialize and feel real feeling in FRONT of OTHER kids, not behind some Wizard of Oz curtain, in order for them to become real living healthy grown ups.
Posted at 07:03 PM on Nov 12, 2007 by Laura
This is really, really, really sad. Actually, I echo Leonora's sentiment, but must add that it is pretty pathetic when a parent can't see that allowing children to 'play' in virtual worlds at the expense of playing in the real world really robs them of true life experiences whether they are painful or not -- at least their kids get a shot at being real, not known as a fake version of themselves. Kids need to learn to talk, to socialize and feel real feelings in FRONT of OTHER kids, not behind some Wizard of Oz curtain, in order for them to become real living healthy grown ups.
Posted at 07:07 PM on Nov 12, 2007 by Laura
As a fellow member of Gaia, I am here to speak on its behalf. I joined Gaiaonline over a year ago and I know from experience that Gaia does everything they can to ensure that people do not get scammed. In fact, when you open PM's there are security warnings that say "NEVER GIVE OUR YOUR USERNAME AND PASSWORD" and those warnings only go away if the user goes into their account options and turns them off. Gaia moderators, administrators, artists, and developers all have different colored names than other people's usernames, which are color coded in more than one area of the site for easy access. They even help cut down on "mirror" phishing sites by adding a big red "WARNING-LEAVING GAIA ONLINE" label on the top of each screen when you click on a link that makes you leave gaiaonline.com. When you sign up for the website, you sign a "terms of service" agreement which states word for word "We will never ask you for your username or password" In the end, it is the person's lack of knowledge that caused them to lose their account, through no fault of Gaiaonline.
Posted at 09:49 AM on Nov 13, 2007 by DeVan
Considering that this article divulged nothing about what else 'Clementine' did with her time it isn't fair to assume that all she did was Gaia. It's obvious this little girl goes to school and interacts with human beings. Living a virtual life does not mean you are devoid of a real one. I am 23, a Gaia member of 3.5 years, and I hold down a part-time job of 2+ years and attend college part time. I go out with my friends. I take hiking trips to Sedona. I'm in a healthy relationship and I live on my own. I also spend most of my online time on Gaia. It's good that Gaia is taking steps to better their security, but I really hope they can improve it on a case-by-case basis, for all reports sent in, hacking/scamming/banning because in the end, for the users, that's what really counts. I can't say doing something like that would be easy though, due to the sheer number of user on Gaia, but it's something to hope for in any case.
Posted at 10:37 AM on Nov 13, 2007 by Aiden
If you are going to read about gaia, do some research first. Most of this article was grossly incorrect. Biggest problem? That was NOT a moderator that sent "bluebird" the message. It was a person on gaia who scams people out of their passwords by sending fake passwords. Called a "scammer". A REAL mod would NEVER ask for a gaian's password (they don't need it!) and this is something that any intelligent gaian would know. Maybe bluebird was tricked, but her mom and her sister as well? Do these people speak english? Because I promise that above the pm from the scammer is an automatic warning from gaia saying "NEVER GIVE AWAY YOUR PASSWORD". If none of these women can read or use common sense, they don't deserve to have the account on gaia. Next time, do some research before you right such a laughable article.
Posted at 10:40 AM on Nov 13, 2007 by amy
you obviously know nothing about gaia. you're not a member nor did you do any research so i'll fill you in. gaia online does WAAAAAAAAAAY more than any other site i've been on to help users protect themselves and their account: http://www.gaiaonline.com/info/index.php?mode=safety i suggest you read that page. it's obvious the girl didn't pay attention or have any shred of common sense. it's also hardly identity theft, she lost a virtual account, boo hoo but she still has her identity intact. she should take this as real life lesson because one day she probably will get her identity stolen if she's that willing to give out personal information. it's also easy to tell a scammer from a moderator or any staff member on gaia. staff accounts have colored usernames and a description tag stating their job on gaia like "site moderator" or "admin lead". anyone who doesn't know that is either blind, not active or oblivious.
Posted at 10:55 AM on Nov 13, 2007 by kage
While this article may have had good intentions, it was lost in the inaccuracy of the article. As many other gaians here have stated, bluebird was scammed. A moderator did not pm her, it was a simple scammer. What you might not know is situations happen like this daily on gaia, and there are thousands apon thousands of people who lost their accounts like this. That is why gaia put warning on the top of every pm (unless you CHOOSE to turn it off) saying never give out your password. Once people ignore this message, they are basically giving away their account blindly, just as bluebird did. I do feel for bluebird, but then I am not sympathetic, because she helped you write such a foul article such as this. If you really wanted to write about gaia (and you brought up some interesting points about second life) please talk to more than one gaian, perferablly one who is a little more...knowledgeable about gaia. The major mistake in this article is that bluebird is not unique or special, and you treated it like she was. This has happened to thousands of gaians, dispite the fact that it has been said again and again to never give out your password. Her case did not change the history of gaia, and I highly doubt her scammer was even IP banned, because that rarely, rarely happens. Who knows, maybe you just made that up to make bluebird feel better. I really do hope bluebird and her family learns from this. Really she and these woman are the ones who threw her account away, by refusing to heed warnings. I think its time to edcuate these people about real life scammers, not just gaian scammers. Anyway, next time you are going to write about gaia, choose some gaians who have a clue about what goes on, on that site.
Posted at 10:59 AM on Nov 13, 2007 by amy
What I'm about to say does not reflect Gaia Online in anyway but the thoughts of one very pissed off user. I'm sorry but they had no case against Gaia because she was stupid enough to give away her password when they constantly warn everybody to not give out their password. I've seen people who were honestly hacked, never get their items back but yet, this little twit gets them? I'm sorry but thats not the way, Gaia works. If you're stupid enough to fall for a scam, then not only do you not deserve your items back, your account should be banned for falling for it. I fell for a scam once, yes I was stupid enough to do so but you know what? I just got back to getting my items back, not once did I want my items back. I got them back but you know what? This is the single biggest pile of garbage I've ever seen because not only did you not do your research but the girl who was stupid enough to fall for the scam, should have been left banned. She has items that don't even total out to 100k, I've seen people get hacked out of 1 million but you don't see them complaining about it and threating gaia, now do you? I'm sorry but if she thinks losing a bunch of pixels because of her own stupidity, I hate to see what happens when reality hits her square in the head. Next time, Do some research because I highly doubt you even did any and the only reason you even wrote this was to gain some followers but watch out, because us Gaia users can and will defend it from idiots like you and if you do write a pile of steaming crap again, please don't post it where normal people like me can find them.
Posted at 11:02 AM on Nov 13, 2007 by Keelan
I'm sorry but what is about to be said, will not be reflected as a whole of Gaia Online but instead, this will be one of a User who has more of a clue about gaia than Bluebird did. She was scammed because she was stupid enough to think it was a mod, despite various warnings not to give out your password. She failed to pay attention to the warnings and got scammed. The Site Admin have said and said again, that they would never need your password, seeing how they can access it if they want to. I'm a 3 year Gaia Vet, you want to know how many times somebody has attempted to scam me? Only 5 because they know that I'm not going to fall for it. Bluebird was not special but yet, you made it seem that way in this stupid article. She was stupid enough to fall for it, so was her mom and sister, either they're too dense to follow directions or didn't the warnings. If she was not bright enough to follow directions and warnings, why did she deserve special treatment, oh what, I forgot, she didn't the Mother didn't have a single claim against the site over a few lost pixels. I'm sorry but if you get upset about those, you need to get outside more. Bluebird did not and should not have gotten special treatment, because she was dumb enough to give her password away. Next time you write an article about Gaia, make sure you actually contact ones who have used more common sense than Bluebird has ever used.
Posted at 11:13 AM on Nov 13, 2007 by Keelan
I think the most disturbing thing about this entire article is the obvious lack of basic safety education of ADULTS. Her mother thought that the private message was legitimate? I am an adult, 25 years old, and many many years ago at age 12 when I started on AOL, my father drilled into me the tenant that you never EVER give your password or pin numbers to anyone EVER. And that anyone who said they were in charge and wanted my password were scamming me. I intend to drill this into my own kids. This child's mother is clearly lucky she doesn't own an ebay account in which some scammer asked for her social security number to "confirm" something on her account. Then she'd REALLY find out what identity theft is like. Because clearly she is too clueless about basic internet security herself to even instill it in her children who she lets loose upon the internet. Adults, parents out there, do yourself a favor and familiarize yourself with the internet and internet communities beyond googling up recipes before your own horrible safety knowledge and your inability to properly educate your children for their safety screws you over.
Posted at 12:21 PM on Nov 13, 2007 by Nic
Your article is grossly misinformed and biased. Gaia goes out of their way to tell users to NEVER give out their password or account information, and that real mods will never ask for such information! Not to mention real mods have coloured names, which anyone who's been on Gaia for a short time should know. The "moderator" who contacted her was a scammer who is fairly common on Gaia; had Bluebird taken only one minute to look in the Q&A forum, she would have known as much. It's her own fault for ignoring all of Gaia's warnings, after all, Gaia can't send a personal babysitter to all users to make sure they won't fall for such obvious scams. It is not their job to do so, and they are much, much more active in trying to educate people about such scams than any other site I've been on. Identity theft? Since when do lost pixels count as identity theft? And if she has psychological trauma from this, she needed to see a doctor long before she lost her account. Next time, do more research before blindly listening to one person who wants to blame anyone but herself. Oh, and 134,508 gold is nothing. Had she just made a new account she could have made that back in a month. And for the record, I've been on Gaia for nearly three years and have only ever received one attempted scam, but since I've known ever since I was 10 to never give out passwords or anything to people you don't know and to listen to warnings, I didn't fall for it. Honestly, her mother should have known better, too. Maybe this will have opened their eyes and take off their rose-tinted glasses. Anyone who has a computer and the internet ought to know better than to fall for such obvious scams.
Posted at 12:42 PM on Nov 13, 2007 by Zeph
PS. This is likely what she fell for: "Attention Gaia User, You have been suspected of "hacking" and "password scamming" other accounts. Frequent reports have been coming in with your name. In order to avoid an immediate ban we will need your password to check your trade history. If you are proven guilty but have cooperated your ban will only be temporary. If you do not respond in TEN minutes your account will be banned permanently. Sincerely, The Gaia Mod Team." Now tell me that Bluebird is the innocent victim in all this and it was all Big, Bad Gaia's fault that she lost her account ¬¬ Seriously, if not her than her MOTHER should have AT LEAST suspected something was up. No sites that I know of will ask users for their passwords to "clear" reports.
Posted at 12:55 PM on Nov 13, 2007 by Zeph
This is absolutely ridiculous! I have a Gaia account myself. Seriously, if you're not intelligent enough to read the BIG RED box that says Mods will never ask for your password, then you really deserve what you recieve. I've gotten several scam attempts myself, and even at 13, I doubt I would have fallen for them. This is pathetic. I'd be really upset if I lost all of my items and gold due to, say, unfair banning, but even so, I wouldn't become melodramatic to this degree. I don't think this girl should have even gotten her items back if for no other reason than sheer stupidity. What more can Gaia do? This makes me think that the petitions for upping the age to register actually have an arguement. ... Also, 130k isn't really that much gold at all to begin with ... and that avatar would be ripped to shreds in the AT. : D Just another opinion to add to this list of comments, none of which seem to have any sympathy for poor Bluebird.
Posted at 07:27 PM on Nov 13, 2007 by Meghan
"I feel like I just witnessed my own murder..." Sob, sob... cry me a river. A 13-year-old complains after being scammed out of her password - even though there are warnings all over the site never to give it out to anyone, and that "Gaia staff will NEVER ask for your password", EVER - and it rates an article on identity theft? Seriously? Has the blogging media nothing better to discuss? Fine, then let's discuss. Teen users don't need to be handled with "kid gloves", they need to be educated properly BY THEIR PARENTS on internet safety and the dangers of sharing passwords and other sensitive information. I suppose her clueless parents will learn about true identity theft when either they or their equally clueless daughter lose their precious Manhattan address and everything else they own, simply because they weren't forward-thinking enough to protect their own information. And as for her gold amount, and account worth - it was worth nothing, basically. Her account, and all its items, could have been replaced in a month or less WITHOUT spending a dime of actual money. Other users do it all the time, and she could have too. Frankly, I'm glad it happened to her. Perhaps next time she will not only think before giving up her password (supposedly to a site that never asks for it), but she will also think twice about having her parents appearing equally foolish in the press for also making the same (frankly, stupid) mistake. I'd love to say "at least she's learned a lesson", but I'm sure she hasn't learned anything except "if I screw up, I can just cry on Mommy's shoulder, and it will be fixed." Congratulations, you've just aided in the perpetuation of the culture of irresponsibility that is extremely prevalent in today's youth. I hope you're proud.
Posted at 07:30 PM on Nov 13, 2007 by Keli
I'm a Gaian and I don't see the reason as to what Gaia did wrong. Seriously. There are plenty of warnings and user created guides on the site to keep people from being scammed. If you or your kid is dumb enough to be scammed, then you or your kid shouldn't be on the site. Parents shouldn't let their kids get so addicted to Gaia or any other online. It's shameful on their part. While Gaia is a socializing forum, it shouldn't be the main focus of any of those damn kids socializing abilities or the internet in general. Read some studies on that, will ya? On another note, we're 'Gaians' or 'users' not avatars, you dumba**es. Uhg. There are so many incorrect things in this article that it is full of fail. I've been on Gaia for 2.5 years and have never had any problem like this. It will always amaze me how some people fall so easily for such an obvious scam.
Posted at 07:34 PM on Nov 13, 2007 by Rosencoff
This article is full of fail. There is so incorrect information that it would take the entire GCD 30 minutes to correct it. But seriously. The mother should not let her kid use the internet to fulfill the kid's socializing needs. Here would have been a good time to look up some cases on internet addiction. Gaia has plenty of warnings for even the most stupid of people. The thing is, the stupid people will not read them. Gaia even has users that create guides on how to keep an account safe from this sort of thing. I have extreme apathy for those that do fall for any sort of scam. I've been on Gaia for 2.5 years and have never had trouble with keeping my account safe. Is it because I'm older? No. I just don't want to loose my account and will do what I can to keep it safe. This is a good time to look up internet safety and phising/scam sites. :) It isn't just Gaia that deals with this type of thing. Woo. Another thing that is incorrect is the fact that those that are on Gaia, are not called 'avatars.' We call ourselves 'Gaians' or 'users.' And here's a little hint about Gaia's economy. 1 to 1.5 million gold is usually considered the average for inventory worth. So please, if you're going to write an article about Gaia and it's scamming cases, please be a little more savvy in what you're talking about, 'kay?
Posted at 07:53 PM on Nov 13, 2007 by Rosencoff
I almost cried when I heard this. I cried because of the pure ignorance of Bluebird. I've been a Gaia member since September 2006, and you know what? Thisd happens everyday. tons of people. Look in the Q&A forum and ya know what? Half of the topics are "wtf mi account wuz haxxored halp". It is not Gaiaonline's fault, it isn't Craig Sherman, nor the founder, Derek Liu's fault. Know who's fault it is? Bluebird's. If she had READ THE DANG RULES than she would know Gaia staff will NEVER, EVER ask for your password! I'm sick of these newbs coming and being all "lol i dunt need rulz lol". It is so stupid. "Gaia did their best to warn users throughout the site not to share their password. But what they failed to deal with was a hallmark of youth: apart from the rare rebel, most kids will defer to a figure of authority." 13 year olds should know better. Seriously. Oh, and Clementine, if you read this, foul language isn't against the rules on Gaia. ;D
Posted at 08:17 PM on Nov 13, 2007 by Ethanuel
I agree fully with Rosenkoff. This article is full of pure, epic fail. (And yes, that avatar would be ripped apart in the Avatar Talk forum. It's cluttered. ) As others have said, Gaia has bright red and white warnings everywhere on the site that tell you /never/ to give your password away. I grew up with a computer and internet, so my mom drilled safety into me too. I've gotten at least ten messages asking for my password to this day, and I've been on Gaia almost four years now; I never fell for one of them, purely because of common sense and all the warnings around. In addition, guess what-- my account, which was created about a year after Gaia started, is worth about 8 million Gaia gold in item value... even though my first year on Gaia I built up almost no wealth whatsoever out of ignorance. I've spent maybe, ah, $400 REAL MONEY on Gaia in all. Monthly collectibles (at least $10-$15 a month, if not more), real merchandise, a GaiaCash card for myself and two for some friends... If I was "hacked" like her, I'd be upset. I probably wouldn't rejoin Gaia unless I got my stuff back, but I would eventually get over it. In your terms, the amount of real money and assets I've given up to Gaia would make my case more valuable than hers-- and I wouldn't complain a smidge about it all 'going to waste.' Gaia has given me many a laugh and much enjoyment in the time I've been on it (I log on every day), and they deserve my money, even if I was a victim of my own stupidity. But seriously, she honestly needs to have seen a therapist long ago. :P I pity her, but Bluebird, honey, remember to read the rules carefully before you get that deeply involved in a virtual site. <3
Posted at 08:39 PM on Nov 13, 2007 by Sylfaen
I'm sorry, but I cannot sympathize with this girl. When you join a virtual community, you should be old enough to understand you need to read the terms of service and rules of the site before you get involved with it. This applies to ALL web communities, not just Gaia. And if you're too young to understand it, you have your parents read it and explain it to you, especially since they should be paying attention to what their child is doing on the internet anyway. It is plastered EVERYWHERE on Gaia not to give anyone, not even the staff, your password. At the top of that private message this girl received from a "moderator" (whom it would have been obvious the message was not from since mods have different color names than regular users) there was a link to their security warning FAQ and their information for parents page. It isn't as if Gaia isn't doing anything to stop scamming. And they can't do much if the account holder isn't going to do their part on their end. I understand that it is upsetting to lose an account you worked hard on and created an identity for yourself with. I have been a member of Gaia for over 2 years and have an account worth over 6 million gold. I almost got a keylogger scam this year and just the thought of almost losing my account was upsetting enough. But I'm not going to blame Gaia because I clicked a link that wasn't 100% trustworthy, and I definitely wouldn't go to a journalist to cry about it.
Posted at 05:10 AM on Nov 14, 2007 by Rachel
What a pathetic story O_o Why would that stupid girl and her family hold gaia responsable for the stupid girl not reading the warnings <.< >.> Maybe, or probably, right on top of that hacking message was a warning in RED saying "Gaia will never ask for your password"... There's been countless warnings about this kind of crap in gaia for years now, and you want to say it was Gaia's fault for this "tragic situation" ... get real! If it was a Keylogger or a fake log in page, sure maybe gaia didn't give enough warning about those in the past--- but something like this, tragic my ass -_- And if you can make such a drama out of a hacking in a virtual site, then you might as well get a life little girl. <.< >.> Because, you couldn't possibly have one if you cared this much for gaia o.o Pathetic!
Posted at 06:02 AM on Nov 14, 2007 by Ana
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. When one registers for a Gaia account you are asked to read the Terms of Service, in which it states multiple times to never give out your password and that Gaia administration will never ask you for your password. Also, there are numerous warnings around the site exclaiming, "NEVER GIVE OUT YOUR PASSWORD". Clementine's hacking was entirely her own fault. Furthermore, she never really owned the items that she "purchased" with her 60 US dollars. It states within the Terms of Service that registered Gaians don't actually own the virtual items they buy with both real, tangible money and the virtual currency. Gaia administration holds the right to take away any thing off of your account. So if Clementine never really owned her items, then there really isn't a case to be made.
Posted at 12:27 PM on Nov 14, 2007 by Rick
Thank you very much for giving the Gaia Community Discussion forum something new to talk about ;D The community has been cosmically amused by this over-dramatized article.
Posted at 12:33 PM on Nov 14, 2007 by Adrian
While Clementine has my sympathy, this story is wildly out of whack. Being a Gaian, I would absolutely die if my account were to be removed: that is not the issue. When you sign up for Gaia, NUMEROUS warnings appear, saying, do not ever give out your password; we will never ask for it. In fact, they even had it on the PM (Private message; email)page. All of those items are very easy to attain; none of them are worth very much, they're all 2007. Moderators have different colored names. This person didn't. This is really just ridiculous. I'm glad that people are taking steps to understanding that it isn't "just the internet", but please at least TRY to be more informed before taking a sob story from a little girl. ~AGC If you wish to contact me, I'm the same name on just about every website I join.
Posted at 01:41 PM on Nov 14, 2007 by Courtney
Wow! This article sure is eye-opening. I was unaware that "commentary" was another word for "something I pulled out of my backside in the loo." Bluebird was never banned. What happened to her was not the fault of GaiaOnline. She was SCAMMED. Gaia posts warnings ALL over the place not to give out one's password to ANYONE - not even someone claiming to be staff or someone claiming your account will be banned. Better she learn basic common sense about account security on GaiaOnline than on eBay or PayPal. And what planet is her mother living on? Word to the wise: Don't let your kid play on the internet if you, yourself, aren't smart enough to avoid falling for the oldest tricks in the book. Bottom line: Gaia can put up as many warnings, safe-guards and tutorials as they like... and one thing will remain true. There will ALWAYS be another IDIOT who will keep falling for these scams. Nothing in life is "fool-proof" because nature just keeps on churning out bigger and better fools. And litigation? Oh, please. That's just what the world needs. A lawsuit proclaiming, "But I didn't know giving out my password to a random stranger with no credentials or proof of his claims would put my account in danger! It's not my fault." To go with all the "I didn't know hot coffee would be hot! It isn't my fault!" lawsuits. Just what this society needs. But most importantly... Did you even research any of this? Your article shows you have little to no knowledge of the site you're writing about, let alone internet scams in general. I hope you don't get paid for this kind of shoddy journalism. Seriously.
Posted at 02:07 PM on Nov 14, 2007 by Shari
I feel that it's a bit ridiculous that no one has brought up the fact that, when following any link out of Gaiaonline.com or opening any private message on the site, the user is warned not to give away their password. Gaia Online has had warnings up as long as I have been on the site- there is no way "Clementine" could have gone without ever seeing one- she simply would have had to not pay any attention. Gaia does an amazing job of warning their users of scams. Unfortunately many of these users completely ignore them.
Posted at 04:34 PM on Nov 14, 2007 by Ashley
Are you kidding me? This is pathetically misleading and anyone with half a brain is going to know you're fancying it up to add drama. Also, anyone with half a brain is going to know that that Private Message was fake. Yes, it's bad that there's so many people out there that try to do this to people. You know what's worse? Idiots who don't use a little common sense to find out if it was for real. Let me think...if the multiple warnings and ToS wasn't clear enough, there's...oh...yeah, a Question and Answer forum where people come on a daily basis to ask questions of all sorts; including, you guessed it, whether pm's and other claims are for real. Wow...some people have intelligence. Wait...was that too big of a word for you? And if that's still not able to make since to your tiny little brain, you can contact mods directly; even see which one's online so you can speak to them immediately. Wow...I can really see how Gaia is to blame. (note the major sarcasm) Point is, if you're going to be that stupid, stay off the web; this crap happens everywhere. She's not special, her case isn't special, this story isn't special...except for how utterly ridiculous and stupid you and the others made themselves look. That'll go down in the history books; congratulations.
Posted at 01:18 AM on Nov 16, 2007 by lin
Since so many posters have noted that Gaia has (for many months) warned users about giving out passwords and other scams, I won't go there. I will note, however, that this is an incredibly overblown, melodramatic article about an otherwise valid topic. It's sad and comic, but mostly sad, that Clementine's experience is equated with murder and kidnapping, like she were a refugee in Darfur and not an overprivileged, pampered teen from Manhattan. And despite what the experts claim, many Gaian teenagers are savvy enough to see through blatant scams and not "defer to authority figures" blindly despite all the warnings. And as a side note: Several of us who could not post comments directly on this article when it first appeared, but who sent emails instead, were accused (in an exactly worded stock reply) of not reading the article. Is this the assumption made by the site owner when anyone questions his judgment? Wow. -- a former longtime newspaper journalist.
Posted at 10:29 AM on Nov 16, 2007 by Janet
When I read this article, only one thing crossed my mind: "What the eff is this crap?" I am seriously insulted that something like this gives bad press to a website I frequent.let me explain what actually happened to Clementine, shall I? On the day in question, Clementine was asked by a begger for some sort of donation. minutes later, mind you I mean MINUTES she recieves a private message from someone claiming to be a mod, asking for her password, her PASSWORD! did you know that with the password to an account, you are allowed to give away that account's items, and CHANGE the accounts name? that's why bluebird vanished. The "mod" that messaged her was not actually a mod, mods are denoted by the color of their name, mods appear with green names, contrary to the black everyone else's name is in. What's more, mods will NEVER ask for your password, EVER. That's not Gaia policy, it even has a WARNING on the screen that displays your private message, telling you just that. Clementine is a stupid silly *** that just flung mud on the public face of Gaia for her OWN STUPIDITY. This sickens me. I hate idiots, and most of all I hate people who shift the blame on to something else. You're all morons if you belive this crock of shit.
Posted at 07:49 PM on Nov 16, 2007 by Seraph
You all are absolute idiots. For one, let us seize a bitter-sweet reality check. Its a website . . . It isn't life. But now let us strike the proverbial nail on the head. If you get scammed, its YOUR fault. There are countless notices that gaia (or any other website) will NEVER ask for your password. And why would they need to? They HAVE it already. 13 year olds do not belong on the internets. And whoever this persons Mom is . . . it makes me fearful of upcoming generations abilities to have such 'strong' leadership. Your friendly neighborhood realist.
Posted at 08:30 PM on Nov 20, 2007 by Bryant
These people can not rightfully sue Gaia Online. Gaia Online has a list of people who let you know who the real admins are on that web site. They also let you know that their user names on the website are color coded. Normal everyday users who have no power on the website have just black colored names. People on your friend lists have blue names. Where as admins have green names. It is not the web site's fault because this girl decided not to read the warning signs that have been posted in updates on the site AND the warning sign RIGHT ABOVE THE PRIVATE MESSAGE SHE READS. It's RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE. How can someone miss it? Oh yeah, by NOT READING IT. It's her own fault that she didn't listen to the many times they've told everybody on that website about the scammers. All she had to do was report the Private Message by clicking on the "Report" button next to "Delete" and "Send" and then delete the message afterwards and she'd be fine. Another way to not get these messages are to put her Private Messages onto "Friends Only" so that way, only people on her Friends list can send her a message. I really don't think 13 year old kids should be on the web site anyways.
Posted at 04:39 PM on Nov 22, 2007 by Annie
Whats her old username and new one?
Posted at 04:39 PM on Nov 23, 2007 by Short
This girl, and whoever wrote this article, must be the biggest losers in this world. Gaia clearly states that a mod won't ever ask for a password, in fact, whenever you put your password in a PM; it doesn't let send it. To all you losers that feel bad for that moron, sorry, but you fail at life :] Good luck with your worthless life. Srsly, I wish I knew her username so I,and many more people, could teach her a lesson about not being a loser on the "interwebz"
Posted at 01:52 PM on Dec 2, 2007 by Roro
i'll be short, Mr Myers. You are not kind to people who have well-developed counterattacks to your blatant disregard of the truth. i had attempted to post my letter to you - never posted here. You told me to join this site. Did, when i didn't want to. You disregarded my opinion after i told you that i did in fact read the article and that you still paint Gaia as an uncaring business. They care, but they're human. Clementine was a perfect example of why little children (or those with mental capacities of such) make the internet worse.
Posted at 01:14 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
First letter One major flaw about the article and testimony. The mother had in fact encouraged her daughter to give away personal information. Gaia Interactive has FREQUENTLY posted "Do not give away your passwords" all over the site, in the Private Message sections and in Profile set-up. And yet the paranoid mother encouraged her child, the user, to send off her password and personal info. What that child whined about was her own fault and not that of Gaia. The lawsuit she is threatening will not hold water because of the NUMEROUS warnings and announcements placed long before her account was scammed . It is not the responsibility of Gaia Interactive to cover for someone else's asinine blunders if the blunder is something that Gaia Interactive has addressed repeatedly and the user WILLINGLY ignored. My sincerest apologies, but as an INTELLIGENT user of Gaia Interactive's forums, i must say that your article is negatively slanted against a business, is unfair towards the majority of users and is biased in favor of a moron who willingly blanked out the warnings that Gaia had long posted. Please remove it. If you don't, i'm afraid of the possibility that you will be charged with slander.
Posted at 01:19 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Your response: You obviously did not read the full article. You should read the full article and then I will welcome your comments. And you should register at the site and add your comments to the article so they can be seen by readers. Thank you. www.jackmyers.com jack
Posted at 01:19 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
My response i have read the full article - the problem is that there's too much a slant in favor of the idiot parent and her daughter. Your article gives the impression Gaia doesn't try to solve hacking/scamming cases. Trust me, they do, but they're bogged down by idiots such as "Clementine" who keep abusing the report/feedback system, thinking that the more they submit a report, the faster they'll be heard. That's simply not true and it makes the work harder for the staff of Gaia Interactive
Posted at 01:20 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
You First of all, Clementine is far from an idiot. How old are you by the way? She submitted the report once and then waited weeks without any response. There was no response until we contacted the company PR department, and no resolution until we spoke directly to the company president. Very few have this type of access. Gaia is intended for kids, not adults, which I get the impression you are. However, I really appreciate the feedback and communications. And as the article says, I was very impressed by Gaia’s commitment
Posted at 01:20 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Part 1 of my response: Sir, you don't understand me. There is a RATHER LARGE LINE of people trying to get their accounts back. It takes time, this sort of thing. The only difference is that Clementine griped about it so much she snagged your attention. i'm continuously impressed by their commitment, myself, but i feel what Clementine did was unfair to the rest of the people who had their accounts genuinely scammed (never having given out their passwords) and were robbed of approximately $1000 of goods at most. What she did was bypass the unfortunate red tape.
Posted at 01:21 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
And yes, i'm an adult. i am 22 years of age, and i can assure you - no, Gaia Interactive is not geared towards KIDS as you call them. The main audience is the adolescent group, aged 14 and over. Gaia Interactive has a strict policy about players under the age of 13 years not being allowed onto the forums until otherwise proven to be that - at least 13 years of age. But the number of people who dodge that requirement is numerous, lying about their age on the registry until they are settled in. i am currently good friends with a mother of two kids - all three of them have Gaia accounts. i know of quite a few British users who are married, over the age of 30, and still enjoying Gaia. In one "charity" i help run within the forum (If "Clementine" wasn't as much of a ... for lack of a better term ... brat, we would have gladly helped her out some), i have met with a 32-year-old divorcee, 38-year-old mom of 1 and one 68-year-old grandfather whose grandchildren introduced him to Gaia.
Posted at 01:22 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Please excuse my utter disrespect of you in previous emails, but i feel that you gave too much credit to Clementine. She gave away her password. Her mother told her to give it away. Her sister, also a Gaian, told her to give the scammer her password. All three of them are in violation of what i call the COMMON SENSE RULE OF THE INTERNET - which is simple: Do not give away your personal information (SSN, passwords, PIN, credit card #s - if only a small set of examples). EVER What's worse is that Gaia Interactive, for at least a YEAR prior to the incident, has been notifying players not to give away their passwords. They've said it over and over again. In the Subeta incident (long story, too long for this email and way too many conflicting viewpoints even for a journalist/blogger to comprehend), Gaians who had passwords and usernames shared in common with players of the (practically defunct) Subeta web page were hacked, even though they hadn't played on Subeta in a long time. This event prompted yet another common-sense announcement "DO NOT USE A COMMON PASSWORD. Use different ones for different sites."
Posted at 01:22 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Mr. Myers, your article seemed to me as if you painted Gaia Interactive's employees as not protecting their users. They do their hardest. They get genuinely upset when something goes wrong. But there's only so much they CAN do with a 95-person taskforce. They're not perfect.
Posted at 01:22 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
What happened to "Clementine" is unfortunate, but it's also unfortunate that she felt it necessary to contact you. If she had smarter family and recognized something was wrong when a "moderator" (note - moderators and moderator helpers on Gaia forums have their usernames bolded and in green font) doesn't have a green name and is asking for her password (again - no moderator or administrator will EVER ask anyone for your password), this never would have happened in the first place.
Posted at 01:22 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Once again, my apologies for having been rude to you. But the insanity has gone on long enough and i wished for you to hear the side of a Gaian who has been with the site for more than three years, four next month, and has seen the power of dumb people with no common sense whatsoever.
Posted at 01:22 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
One benefit, however, that has come out of this. i believe you have seen the new warning system. i am in near-constant contact with the developer of the site, username Fleep, and we both have realized that the old warning banner (merely a "visor") was too small and was bypassed easily by scammers who knew how to program a password-phishing web page. The new warning, now an effective interrupt program, states more clearly and unavoidably what they've been trying to for years. The better side of it is a little warning that comes when you try to customize your profile. You see, there is an option to turn off this large block-shaped warning, but by turning it off, the user agrees that they waived moderator assistance if they fall victim of a "Hey, you got logged out, why don't ya re-type your name and password to get back in" version of password scamming. Genuine hacking and keylogging victims would still be compensated, but if you saw the warning enough, turned it off and STILL fell for a password scam such as the one i just mentioned ... you're stupid.
Posted at 01:23 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Your sad excuse of a response: Thank you. I urge you to register at www.jackmyers.com, search for the Gaia column, and post your comments with the blog.
Posted at 01:23 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Several letters thereafter were sent saying that i could not post a comment. You did not answer, meriting the following response from me: Mister Myers ... your lack of professionalism is showing.
Posted at 01:24 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Mister Myers ... Perhaps you should kindly go back onto Gaia Online and read the hate mail against you and "Clementine"
Posted at 01:25 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
That's all fine. And if people don't curse in their comments, they can be posted at our site as well. I have been directly in touch with the president of Gaia, and he is fine with the column we wrote, satisfied that it was fair, and looking forward to future content about Gaia and its user base. The passionate comments of adults over 17 on Gaia reinforce the concerns of parents about those under 15 who are on the site. The "hate mail" also suggests that there is wonderful passion among all users that reinforces the importance of Gaia and other similar sites to the user base, which expresses my belief that these sites are an extremely important part of our future. There is debate going both ways, and many supporters of the piece who express their appreciation. Those who "hate" Clementine for making a stupid error from which she learned are unfair and inappropriately expressing their feelings toward an innocent 13 year old. hate is a strong word, and there should be NO PLACE FOR IT on Gaia or any other virtual world site.
Posted at 01:26 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Never in your article did you note, for more than a year prior to the Clementine incident, that Gaia's administration and staff again and again made announcements concerning not giving out passwords to anyone. Your failure to do such leaves a gaping hole in your article.
Posted at 01:26 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
And as a final note, seeing as you NEVER responded to my calling you out: INNOCENT? Sir, again, you don't realize that she was a fool to not remember the rule of the internet. Your sympathizing with her makes you just as ignorant and lacking in the common sense department as her.
Posted at 01:27 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
If you fail to respond to my email, sir, i will show your blatant lack of professionalism to more intelligent news sources who WILL find ways of getting you to open up your eyes.
Posted at 01:37 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Also, Clementine outed herself on her new account. i quote: "Let me tell you something! That reporter got ALL his facts wrong! He did'nt even get my story right! What I told that user IS the true story. Can we please all forget about this and move on with our lives! He blew my story out of porportion! Some of those quotes I did'nt even say!"
Posted at 01:43 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
She just basically called you out as a liar and fabricator. With that, i am done.
Posted at 01:47 AM on Dec 8, 2007 by Wolfram
Wow, this is redonkulous. I get those scam private messages all the time, and I usually tell the sender to go fall in a hole, because I know NEVER TO GIVE OUT MY PASSWORD. EVER. Gaia tells you at every opportunity, it seems, to not give out your account info. And really, it's common sense. Some people.
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Posted at 03:56 PM on Jan 9, 2008 by kily
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:28 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:29 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by hvgl44
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:29 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by hvgl44
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:29 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by hvgl44
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:29 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by hvgl44
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:29 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by hvgl44
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:30 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by hvgl44
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:30 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by hvgl44
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:32 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by hvgl44
As hvgl44, a renowned scammer of Gaia online with more than 900 million stolen gold to my name, I have to say that for a veteran player, this girl is an absolute moron. Even n00bs don't fall for that trick anymore. In fact, every November 22, Gaians have an unofficial holiday called Clementine Day, in which they celebrate how they are not as stupid as Clementine. I am hvgl44, successor to the throne of wt snacks! I will trample the Gaians underneath my feet with the legions of others who mourn their fallen leader! WT SNACKS IS GOD!
Posted at 11:32 PM on Jan 15, 2008 by hvgl44
This article is heavily slanted in favor of the ignorant child and parent. I've been a member of Gaia since 2003 (when I was 13) and I HAVE gotten that kind of PM from a person posing as a MOD before. At first, I was about to fall for it, until I remembered "Hey, we aren't ever supposed to give out our password" and I also noticed the warning box above the PM saying so as well. Gaia always warns their users to the best of their ability. I've also been scammed one before, but I submitted a report the same night and soon after, my belongings were restored with the culprits banned. GaiaOnline gives excellent service to their users.

Also, this article is so dramatic, it's silly. LOL.
Posted at 05:19 PM on Apr 3, 2008 by Kyrie
You never should give out your account details to some fake mods. They just steal your account. Poor gaian, too bad you fell to the scam.
Posted at 01:25 PM on May 11, 2008 by Milla Valkeasuo
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